ALT webinar Don't Lecture Me Donald Clark 18 January 2011 Webinar text chat transcript URL: http://repository.alt.ac.uk/875/ This is available under a Creative Commons Licence via the ALT Open Access Repository. Moderator (Hayley Maisey): Recording started, Graham Sabine Moebs: woohoo! Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: @Adam Matthews: You can turn down the volume locally by using the slider at the bottom left of the interface. Graham McElearney: excellent Moderator (Maren Deepwell): To adjust to own audio levels, please use the buttons next to your mic button. Adam Matthews 1: thanx Mohamed Yaseen Kassam: yay were on! David Callaghan 1: ... getting a few drop outs on Donalds audio stream - very short ones - but just got a longer one (1 sec?) Moderator (Hayley Maisey): @David Callaghan 1, thanks David, I'm just pleased we can hear him! ;-) David Callaghan 1 to Hayley Maisey, Maren Deepwell, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: Ditto! Mohamed Yaseen Kassam: sound crackling! anybody else or is it on my side Mira: What about attacking the lecture in the form of a lecture...? Sonja: Mira - or indeed at the very least acknowledging the irony...? Kath: Could you post a reference to the paper so that we can find it please? cheers Teresa MacK: @sonia @mira Donald did address this at ALT,check the youtube clip Sabine Moebs: check this one: http://web.mit.edu/5.95/readings/bloom-two-sigma.pdf Andrew Middleton: http://web.mit.edu/5.95/readings/bloom-two-sigma.pdf Deborah Judah: google bloom 2 sigma problem Moderator (Hayley Maisey) to Mohamed Yaseen Kassam: Sound is ok at my end Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: The 2 Sigma Problem: The Search for Methods of Group Instruction as Effective as One-to-One Tutoring” (http://www.jstor.org/stable/1175554) Kath: thx! Dick Moore 1 to Hayley Maisey, Maren Deepwell, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: jstore here http://web.mit.edu/5.95/readings/bloom-two-sigma.pdf Dick Moore 1: jstore here http://web.mit.edu/5.95/readings/bloom-two-sigma.pdf Moderator (Seb Schmoller): http://www.alt.ac.uk/docs/altc2007_peter_norvig_keynote_transcript.pdf Peter Norvig talk at ALT-C 2007 also http://www.alt.ac.uk/docs/altc2007_peter_norvig_keynote_audio.mp3 and http://www.alt.ac.uk/docs/altc2007_peter_norvig_keynote.pdf Chrissi (Salford Uni): Is it about what we do or how we do it? Shirley Ayres: Tell me I forget, show me I remember, involve me I understand! Chrissi (Salford Uni): What about good and interactive lectures? Chrissi (Salford Uni): Do lectures have to be a passive learning experience? Kath: But surely all lectures arent the same? Doesnt this depend on the type of lecture? janice_whatley: but if they are interactive they are not really lectures? Claire: are others getting drop outs on audio? Kath: but we still refer to them as lectures Chrissi (Salford Uni): What defines a lecture? Sue Folley: I am getting audio drop out Kath: perhaps we need to define what si meant here by 'lecture'? Moderator (Seb Schmoller) to Hayley Maisey, Maren Deepwell, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: As an aside it would be good to run a poll on the proportion of people here who are to any significant extent lecturers? Maren - could you set that up? David Callaghan 1 to Hayley Maisey, Maren Deepwell, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: I'm getting some dropout - lasting 5-10 seconds - is anyone else getting this? Deborah Judah: Perhaps there has been a misunderstanding between lecture and teaching large groups Kathryn James: There is research that shows students actually like passive learning... janice_whatley: but in passive "learning" are they actually learning? Deborah Judah: they like it but they cos they can just sit but I doubt they are learing Chrissi (Salford Uni): they might appear 'passive' but their brain might be 'actively thinking and reflecting Moderator (Hayley Maisey) to Hayley Maisey, Maren Deepwell, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: Seb, nor Maren or I are aware of how to do this. We are looking into it Sue Folley: yes students like them because they are easy Teresa MacK: @deborah learing, I hope not :) Moderator (Seb Schmoller): @DavidCallghan Yes - I think we are all getting some occasional drop out and speed up. Seb Deborah Judah: lol Deborah Judah: trying to listen and type!! Chrissi (Salford Uni): Do we need thinking hooks during lectures something to connect with? Andrew Ward: audio has gone? Andrew Ward: back now Kathryn James: Timetables, lecutrers recycling, space, and higher students numbers, makes this cheap not expensive Andrew Middleton: The argument for 'interactivity in lectures' suggests we need new labels to describe what we're doing. 'Lectures' is too general and has a bad press perhaps. Sue Folley: missed the last bit Teresa MacK: @deborah love it! freudian slip! Deborah Judah: I agree, Andrew Middleton Deborah Judah: :) Sonja: i didn't have a problem with the notion that lectures aren't inspiring, and these 9 defensive arguments are a good list of unconvincing defense, but I am not convinced abotu the expensive. I thought one of the point of lectures is that they are cost effective Sarah Cohen 2: sound keeps cutting in and out Moderator (Seb Schmoller) to Hayley Maisey, Maren Deepwell, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: Sounds good @Maren. Steve Bond: Lectures deserve their bad press because the vast majority of them are completely passive. Yes, the odd one will be interactive and inspirational and perhaps these should have a different name Moderator (Maren Deepwell) to Hayley Maisey, Maren Deepwell, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: Seb, the best way to do this would be to ask a yes or no questions, i.e. are you involved in lecturing to a significant extent and then we cansee the result and/or publish the results to the whiteboard. Sue Folley: @Steve - agreed Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: @Sonja: Good question. Lectures should be cheaper, you would think, because they're one to many. What are the alternatives that are cheaper but just as effective? sprice 1: If lectures are recorded, students can choose to listen to them in 20 minute bursts. And attention deficit sorted. Voila. Moderator (Seb Schmoller): @sonja - I think you are right on the "cost" front - in fact some would say that HE is about the only part of the public sector whose unit costs have fallen in recent years in the sense that teaching funding has not kept up at all with student numbers. Kath: Donald - what is your definition of a 'lecture'? Mira: @Steve do you believe that you can be active and still and silent? Sonja: SB - except that passive is debatable point. Is it passive only because they don't move their bodies around? Andrew Middleton: I agree Steve B, but we need to be more accurate about the way we diss lectures sprice 1: Kath: what's your definition of a student? Deborah Judah: to me passvie means not engaging with the material Chrissi (Salford Uni): Donald, how do you define a lecture? Deborah Judah: jsut sitting and listening for an hour or more makes it hard to take in anything Kathryn James: Student numbers more than double, funding per student down 40%. Research has also shown that students may intend to listen to Videos but don't in reality - Money is the issue Suki: Should we rethink the one to many, and have more discussion based/ question time for learners Chrissi (Salford Uni): Donald, what do you suggest as an alternative to lecturing? Sonja: another point not easy to dismiss is the "students like them" argmt. Not the best argument, but there is evidence that students (also taking part in the heteronormativity of the lectures = good culture) do like them, feel cheated if they don't get them... Deborah Judah: with increased fees students don't want to sit in front of screen and learn from videos they want teachers Sarah Cohen 2: can you say that lectures = workshops or do the findings specifically identify the relationship between students and lecturers at university? Sabine Moebs: @deborah they might want a person - not necessary to lecture them though Deborah Judah: that doesn't mean they can't be active; they just don't want to learn alone Suki: Maybe we should be looking at lectures and lecturers as mentors Kathryn James: @ Debrah... I agree, but students want videos as well as lecutres, students are now consumers.... Andrew Middleton: Chrissi - we have so many alternatives. Isn't that the shame? They are comfortable barriers to innovation? Julie Usher: @Deborah yes but they want teachers to answer their questions and address their needs Julie Usher: there are better ways to use f2f time Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: If we don't know how to lecture effectively and are ignorant of learning and teaching issues, we're not going to be any better at alternatives. We're going to be worse. Deborah Judah: @Julie I agree Kathryn James: Web supports, it doesn't teach and studetns will not learn just watching the web Sue Folley: Our students liked screencast lectures then using the f2f time for discussion - better use of time Julie Usher: @Michelle good point - how can we learn to teach better? Teresa MacK: @ Kathryn - media mix, learning design... Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: The vast majority of people in HE are still not being taught how to teach. Dick Moore 1: agree that improving formative assessment can make the real difference Graham McElearney: Yeah but students don't learn by "just watching " anything - they need to "Do" - construct their own understandings Deborah Judah: @Michelle, I think it is our duty not to be ignorant Kathryn James: @ Terasa... Yes :-) Mira: @Sonja perhaps they're fetishised... Especially in times when online is touted as the inexpensive option, and face-to-face becomes associated with premium. Chrissi (Salford Uni): Hii Andrew, yes, it is a shame that lecturers are defined as bad lectures. I have experienced interactive and inspirational lecturers in which students are engaged. Isn't it about creating the opportunity to think? Teresa MacK: should the slides be moving on? Moderator (Hayley Maisey): @Teresa we are currently on point 8 Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: Deborah: That only works if you know you're ignorant. The first step in solving a problem is to know you have one. A lot of people don't even get that far, possibly becaue of how we train (or don't) people to teach in HE. Sonja: @M, you mean the lectures are fetishised, the whole f2f deified over and above all other alternatives? Andrew Middleton: 12. Our institutions have invested heaviliy in building lecture theatres because that's what universities look like! You can do anything else with a lecture theatre really. Mira: @Sonja yeah. Andrew Middleton: sorry.. can't do anything else... Teresa MacK: @Haley thanx Chrissi (Salford Uni): We could be more creative in how we use them? Sue Folley: like the notion of measuring the wrong end of the learner :) Kathryn James: I keep losing the sound Sonja: @Mira but then not only by the academics, but by a wider cultural discourse Mira: @Andrew I know! Show films? Sarah Cohen 2: sound cut out Deborah Judah: Michelle, very true. At least new teaching staff have to do a teaching cert. But not those already employed or as visiting lecturers Mira: @Sonja, I would say so. Adam Bayliss: Something rings true here - with our blended approaches students could spend as long working through my online materials as they do being lectured. Its still only counted in lecture hours Kathryn James: Not only do students not turn up, they don't prepare..... Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: @Deborah: Whether you need a teaching cert or need to do one probably depends on your institution, I would guess. Teresa MacK: why do we no have a way of giving credit for online participation? Deborah Judah: In some institutions it is counted as self directed learning Sonja: @Mira yes. and I don't even think it's shocking, or surprising to find that in reality students attendance drops off. You might want something but not use it anyway. I just need to have a credible alternative given to us (show films/ invest in more books, i just don't see that will wash) Moderator (Seb Schmoller): Colleagues - the sound quality is not OK at present - plenty of latency, gaps and speeding up/slowing down. This is now unlikely to be to do with Donald's set up, but with connections between here and the US where the Elluminate server is based. Not dealable with just now! Sonja: So Mazur stands for "improvign the lecture", not "rejecting the lecture" Graham McElearney: can we get this diagram from somewhere? I'm trying to sell clickers at the moment to the acad community Mohamed Yaseen Kassam: Seb the recording will be posted later right? Sonja: yes i know - ooooh! ;-) Deborah Judah: SonjaMira; it is possible to have a mix; in a lecture to have the lecturer talk, the students get into groups, show video etc Steve Bond: It's not really a lecture any more, what Donald is describing Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: Graphic can be seen on: http://www.engaging-technologies.com/peer-instruction.html Sonja: SB- Mazur? yes they are Chrissi (Salford Uni): Donald, what is a straight lecture you just mentioned? Moderator (Seb Schmoller): Good talk by Mazur embedded here http://tinyurl.com/3xho9el Mira: And attendance? Did that go up? Moderator (Hayley Maisey): http://fm.schmoller.net/2010/05/data-is-not-the-plural-of-anecdote-eric-mazur-talks-about-how-to-improve-large-group-learning.html Deborah Judah: Graham am happy to talk about that to you Moderator (Hayley Maisey): http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v425/n6955/full/425234a.html Steve Bond: @Mire - good Q Sonja: Thanks Hayley! Nitin Parmar: Some academics at the University of Bath trialled ConcepTests with some success. Details at: http://opus.bath.ac.uk/18958/ Moderator (Hayley Maisey): @Mohamed, cutting in here, yes, the recording will be available from http://repository.alt.ac.uk/. The URL will be sent to all later this week Steve Bond: Aha - but is the lecture really the 'content'? janice_whatley: Intersting that we are all listening to the lecture, and at the same time joining in chat. Is it a distraction, or is it helping our learning? Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: @Hayley: Will the recording be transcribed with the 'gaps' filled in? Moderator (Hayley Maisey): @Michelle, I doubt it, but will follow up with Elluminate. Kathryn James: Lecturers are not only worried about performance but about thier jobs as a result of thier performance... not right maybe but fact Teresa MacK: @janice i found this phenomenon distracting at first but now i find it a richer, more engaging environment Sonja: @SB SR uses this one a lot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBYrKPoVFwg - i would still call this a lecture, though interactive janice_whatley: Teresa, yes I agree Sonja: @SB in any case, time for us to get back to our research... so timely little online conf, no? :-) Chrissi (Salford Uni): I think at least this way we can comment and interact with each other ;o) Matt West: Has Donald read the ALT guidelines on recording lectures on the UK? Has he considered post production and how people will access the material? Steve Bond: This is an odd direction to the argument. If lectures are so bankrupt, then surely a recording of a lecture is even worse? Sonja: @SB ditto Andrew Middleton: If lectures are 'bad', why record them? Why not specifically produce content that is designed to be used independently Moderator (Seb Schmoller): The Trieste system has what struck me as a very good tool for a viewer to zoom in on what is on a chalkboard or project or screen. http://www.ictp.tv/ Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: Lecture recordings also introduce a number of accessibility issues that need to be addressed. Matt West: @ Steve BondAgree with you Andrew Middleton: @Matt West: @ Steve BondAgree with you Moderator (Seb Schmoller): http://www.ignou.ac.in/ Darren Moon: Good Q's Steve B, Andrew M. Agree. Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: Did anyone catch the URL for the "Advantages of recording lectures" paper from what the students said? Adam Bayliss: I think that producing film is a different medium than standing in a room with people in front of them. It follows that we should be taking lessons from TV producton for video lectures, not a lecture room Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: Is *what* technology effective?! Andrew Middleton: a barrier to innovation. Exactly. Teresa MacK: great message! Matt West: @ Adam Bayliss - so when can we all buy OU TV programmes and use them ?? Andrew Middleton: Thank you again. Moderator (Hayley Maisey): Evaluation URL: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/RXFCD7Y Webinar recording/presentations: http://repository.alt.ac.uk/ Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: Matt West: You can license entire courses for use from the OU. I'm not sure if that includes TV programs too, but generally includes all "official" course content. Deborah Judah: Hi Donald, thanks for the talk Deborah Judah: do you have a way you define a lecture? Adam Bayliss: Buy? Theres lots of free things out there.. They do like to see that the subject teachers have been involved in producing the materials in our experience though. They sort of see the lecturer as the subject guru David Callaghan 1 to Hayley Maisey, Maren Deepwell, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: Yes - brill programme! Adam Matthews 1: how about production values on these recordings? is low quality ok? Moderator (Seb Schmoller): Andrew Middleton asked: If lectures are 'bad', why record them? Why not specifically produce content that is designed to be used independently? David Callaghan 1: Yes - brill programme! Teresa MacK: Q: when will UK define assessment frameworks that acknowledge online participation Kathryn James: Do you think then that the 'developed' world can have the luxuary of a new system and the 'developing world' watch just videos for learning 'just in time'...? Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: Adam & Matt: You can also freely participate in OpenLearn, where the OU offers various content modules free to use. Shirley Ayres: The TED talks are an excellent and free resource Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: OpenLearn is at http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/ Mike Carrington: Do you think vodcasts are better than lecture recordings? Adam Bayliss: Thanks for that comment! - Interesting now that creating video is much more accessible than it wads a few years ago Matt West: @ Michelle - how many staff can we shed if they use this method? humm Sonja: Could you address what Steve Bond and Andrew Middleton raised? Dick Moore 1: sound/speech to text is now a feasible technology David Callaghan 1: I like the idea of using the lecture time for discussion FOLLOWING students looking at materials - and 'materials' may sometimes be a recorded lecturer! Sonja: but this self-paced manner issue, if that is the advantage, is that not "a book" - or rather a book is even more cost-effective? Doug Belshaw: Flip-thinking? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businessclub/7996379/Daniel-Pinks-Think-Tank-Flip-thinking-the-new-buzz-word-sweeping-the-US.html Andrew Middleton: But design the asynchronous media so it is effective for use and reuse Moderator (Seb Schmoller): Lecture Capture - a one day conference/workshop from ALT in May, probably in London - details will be in the ALT Digest. "Programme Committee": Julie Voce. Graham McElearney. Eoin McDonnell. Teresa MacK: pls stop the tapping! Sabine Moebs: have to go. thanks for the webinar. bye Moderator (Hayley Maisey): @bye Sabine, thanks for attending Sonja: Thanks Seb, good to know janice_whatley: This form of lecture has been great because we could discuss online with people not in our institution. But students do have many colleagues around them face to face. Moderator (Hayley Maisey) to Hayley Maisey, Maren Deepwell, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: @Donald, couple more then round it up? Adam Bayliss: Thanks, Michelle - I'm already on to that resource! - and the TED talks. Also http://ecorner.stanford.edu/ - for our subject Sonja: Thanks Donald and Hayley and Seb, gotta leave now. Teresa MacK: content generation can be student produced too! Andrew Middleton: @Teresa Mack - yes! Moderator (Seb Schmoller): Trying to get Mazur to a future ALT-C, but he is hard to reach. Seb Mira to Hayley Maisey, Maren Deepwell, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: Hiya, trying to formulate a sensible question but could do with being able to go back through the slides - any chance of switching that on? Thanks v. much. Darren Moon: What do we want: flexible teaching spaces! When do we want them... Darren Moon: :-) Moderator (Hayley Maisey) to Mira: Hi Mira, I think it may be slightly distratcing for other attendees if you were to use the whiteboard as it is currently 'moderator led'. Apologies. Moderator (Seb Schmoller): Work in progress: http://wiki.alt.ac.uk/index.php/Technology_supported_large_group_teaching Steve Bond: Even without the constraints of lecture theatre architecture, there is still the need to teach a very large number of students at once. So how big would such a flexible teaching space be and what would it look like? Julie Usher: Do people think that the revisions to the professional standards framework will help with this? Teresa MacK: @darren and where! in cyberspace pls Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: What's the URL or paper name for the "Advantages of recording lectures" paper from what the students said? It was back a few slides. Teresa MacK: @julie do you have a link to that? Adam Warren: Donald: what is your take on this challenge: as 'lectures' become more interactive, their value as a recording decreases - so is there a point at which we flip to pre-recored material and non-recorded face-to-face sessions? Moderator (Seb Schmoller): @adamwarren - good question Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: I saw it flash by again. Something about "One Year ICT…"? Matt West: @ Julie - possibly, all our staff are made to take MA Learning and Teaching in HE Julie Usher: @Teresa: http://esd.escalate.ac.uk/downloads/2506.pdf Doug Belshaw: I arrived late, so I'm sure you've already mentioned the Khan Academy model - seen the (official) torrents now available? http://bit.ly/ehYXj1 Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: Hi Doug! Moderator (Seb Schmoller) to Hayley Maisey, Maren Deepwell, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: Donald - good q from Adam Warren worth responding to it. Seb Doug Belshaw: Hi Michelle :-) Teresa MacK: @julie, thanx Sue Folley: I don't remember any of my University lectures being inspriational :( Andrew Middleton: Does it take 1 hour every week to engage students? Let's engage them them and then work with them constructively after that Moderator (Seb Schmoller): @Michelle - we will post the slides on our repository shortly. I am reluctant to scroll back now. Seb Steve Bond: What is that infuriating tapping sound?! Mira to Hayley Maisey, Maren Deepwell, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: Hi Haley, I thought that Elluminate allowed it to be enabled on a personal (i.e. not public) basis. Must be mistaken. Thanks anyway. Teresa MacK: @sue as a language graduate I never had a single lecture, only small group work Kathryn James: My expeinces is lecturers talk to themselves, use language that students are excluded from (esp at UG level) and don't ask questions due to the lecturer in front of them (well sometimes) Adam Warren: Virtual classroom vs real classroom - its much more difficult to gain the tutor's attention! Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: @Seb Schmoller: Thanks. Teresa MacK: @adam not in ours :) Doug Belshaw: My Philosophy lectures at Sheffield between 1999-2002 were awesome. Can only remember a couple of bad ones. :-) sprice 1: Mature students can provide their own inspiration. The entertainment requirement can be less - that's why it's useful to consider the whole student spectrum and make a start of defining what may be good for whom. Fewer superlatives. Stuart Box 1: @Adam, and when did you last get a lecturers attention ? Doug Belshaw: Have we discussed eventedness? Kathryn James: It is only reletivly recent that studetns were considered important in HE... Research was more important. Only with student numbers going on.... Adam Warren: @stuart - it's easy if you wave your hand in the air Deborah Judah: @Kathryn and students demanding more value for money as fees go up Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: The web on its own doesn't teach. You still need wayfinders and guides to the material to help you understand and find appropriate materials to the learning at hand. Amanda Kennard: I'm sorry I have to leave now, will the chart be recorded anywhere? Kathryn James: No not that but I do think there needs to be human interaction. I think not eveyhone is self motvated.... So it is not the only thing..... Amanda Kennard: sorry I meant chat Stuart Box 1: @adam, same virtually :-) Dick Moore 1: its always been about the technology Deborah Judah: @Adam you can wave your hand on here; press the hand on bottom left Moderator (Hayley Maisey): @Amanda, the slides and recroding will be uploaded here: http://repository.alt.ac.uk/ Adam Warren: @Deborah - I did....lets try again Moderator (Seb Schmoller): Adam Warren: Donald: what is your take on this challenge: as 'lectures' become more interactive, their value as a recording decreases - so is there a point at which we flip to pre-recored material and non-recorded face-to-face sessions? Moderator (Hayley Maisey): @Amanda I will also save the chat window Deborah Judah: obvioulsy the lecturer has to mindfull of the audience! Moderator (Hayley Maisey) to Adam Warren: Hi Adam, all ok? Moderator (Hayley Maisey) to Adam Warren: We are pushing your question through ;-) Adam Warren: @Seb - I know you're doing your best, but Donald's attention is further back up the chat window. Its a good learning experience here :-) Amanda Kennard: thanks Matt West: @ Donald, it is about technology but it is about production values, I was trained by ex BBC staff who can break down attention spans etc. Staff in HE will find this a huge step change in their thinking Stuart Box 1: to be fair, most Lecturers need to re-learn how to teach to become good online facillitators. Darren Moon: Gotta dash - v.enjoyable. Thx. Teresa MacK: @Matt true but isn't it a necessary journey Moderator (Hayley Maisey) to Hayley Maisey, Maren Deepwell, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: @Seb, can you hear me talking?! Deborah Judah: @stuart bos, I totally agree. it is a very different pedagogy Doug Belshaw: @Hayley: I think Donald's turned his audio off Deborah Judah: sorry stuart Box Teresa MacK: i can still here Donald Moderator (Hayley Maisey) to Hayley Maisey, Maren Deepwell, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: @Doug :-) Dick Moore 1: his sound is off clearly Teresa MacK: hear even! Doug Belshaw: @Teresa: I meant he can't hear Hayley Deborah Judah: Yes but he's not listening to us Matt West: @ Teresa - OK but why not necessary? Kathryn James: Thanks for this ALT.... Need to go now. Buy everyone and thanks for the conversation Kathryn James: Oh and thanks Donald...! Teresa MacK: @matt sorry? Moderator (Hayley Maisey): For info: Evaluation URL: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/RXFCD7Y Webinar recording/presentations: http://repository.alt.ac.uk/ Shirley Ayres: Interesting article: Why free online lectures will destroy universities – unless they get their act together fast. Aidrian Hon blogs.telegraph.co.uk Adam Warren: Thanks Donald - got to go now. Chrissi (Salford Uni): Unfortunately I have to go, thank you for the though provoking webinar Moderator (Hayley Maisey) to Hayley Maisey, Maren Deepwell, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: Hurrahh!! Dick Moore 1: got there ;) Moderator (Seb Schmoller): Editing Q&A to the front of a talk. Interesting idea. Stuart Box 1: If the 'lecture' is interactive, record it anyway, you loose nothing and just might help. Moderator (Seb Schmoller) to Hayley Maisey, Maren Deepwell, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: Hayley - time to close soon? Moderator (Hayley Maisey): Donald - I think we should wrap up now Teresa MacK: @doug glad you made it :) Doug Belshaw: Hi Teresa :-) janice_whatley: good bye. Very interesting take on lectures Doug Belshaw: Looking forward to watching the re-run Moderator (Hayley Maisey) to Hayley Maisey, Maren Deepwell, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: Seb, been trying to. I have interrupted Donald twice now and he can't hear me.... will try again Matt West: got to go now, thank you Donald and ALT for this event Michael C: Thanks Donald - and ALT Adam Bayliss: Thank you all. Teresa MacK: yes Doug Belshaw: We can hear you Hayley Suki: Thanks Donald, got to go, I do think we should not be complacent to carry on 'as' most of us to. Our learners are left uninspired...I di think less is more, ans that is where TEL can trigger or be dentrimental to learning if replicated in different delivery fornats Dick Moore 1: we can hear you Hayley Teresa MacK: Thanks to ALT and Donald - great session :) Mohamed Yaseen Kassam: Thanks Donald. Sue Folley: Thanks - really interesting Mike Carrington: thanks everyone Adam Matthews 1: thanks Sam Moss: Great food for thought :) Dick Moore 1: Thanks Hayley really interesting Michelle "Ein" Hoyle: Thanks a lot, Donald, for going back through the chat and responding to people's comments. Sue Folley: Thanks Donald - all good stuff :) Mira: Thanks very much ALT, Donald, bye all. Moderator (Hayley Maisey) to Hayley Maisey, Maren Deepwell, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: Evaluation URL: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/RXFCD7Y Webinar recording/presentations: http://repository.alt.ac.uk/ Mohamed Yaseen Kassam: Thanks ALT crew! Steve Bond: Thanks all, bai Julie Usher: Thanks all :) Cheryl Middleton: Thank you...enjoyed it. Deborah Judah: Thanks everyone Doug Belshaw: Thanks - will ALT tweet when the recording's ready please? Moderator (Hayley Maisey) to Hayley Maisey, Seb Schmoller, donaldcalrk: Sorry Donald - you couldn't hear me! Unprofessional of me to trun your mic off part way through. Thank you so much for you time today - very much appreciated. ;-) Dick Moore 1: Better than having to spend all day going to a room, listen to Donald then drive home and we get to listen again ;) Dick Moore 1 to Hayley Maisey, Seb Schmoller: send me the recording url when up and I will re-tweet, post and fb it - cheers Dick David Callaghan 1: Thanks to all - bye! Moderator (Hayley Maisey) to Hayley Maisey, Seb Schmoller: Thanks to all, booting you out now ;-) Moderator: Thanks to all, booting you out now